Hi guys,
How about having a channel mode that could filter notices sent to a channel, perhaps from users
without voice/op access to the channel?, or perhaps disable all channel notices in a channel?,
I guess atm bahamut treats a channel notice the same way it does a channel message?, it actually
looks like its using the same code and that the difference is just a flag?.
We had a user complaining about bahamut not being able to filter those out and that his irc client
treated them badly, so I installed mIRC client for the first in ~15 years and checked it out and it
turns out by _default_ mIRC seem to do some weird stuff with channel notices. It gave out this
horribly laggy pinging noise doing god knows what to this poor irc client. For sure it did something
more irritating than an ordinary channel message would do, so perhaps we should consider giving
channel owners a way of specifically filter those channel notices out?. Not sure how often channel
notices are being utilized during floods etc, but I can see it could be used just to annoy users.
Would be interesting to hear your take on it.
Regards
DreamHealer
Hi Fredrik, Trying to understand more of the context behind this request. Are these notices sent by unregistered nicknames or actual/active members of the team? Just want to avoid going down a rabbit hole where we’re trying to compensate within Bahamut inefficient implementations of certain features and/or messages.
On Mar 26, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Fredrik Karlsson dreamhealer@avade.net wrote:
Hi guys,
How about having a channel mode that could filter notices sent to a channel, perhaps from users without voice/op access to the channel?, or perhaps disable all channel notices in a channel?, I guess atm bahamut treats a channel notice the same way it does a channel message?, it actually looks like its using the same code and that the difference is just a flag?.
We had a user complaining about bahamut not being able to filter those out and that his irc client treated them badly, so I installed mIRC client for the first in ~15 years and checked it out and it turns out by _default_ mIRC seem to do some weird stuff with channel notices. It gave out this horribly laggy pinging noise doing god knows what to this poor irc client. For sure it did something more irritating than an ordinary channel message would do, so perhaps we should consider giving channel owners a way of specifically filter those channel notices out?. Not sure how often channel notices are being utilized during floods etc, but I can see it could be used just to annoy users.
Would be interesting to hear your take on it.
Regards DreamHealer
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Hi Emilio,
Well the thought is that as channel notices is handled differently than channel messages by different
irc clients and so perhaps there should be a way to treat a channel notice differently than a regular
channel message in the ircd. Unfortunately I dont have any specific cases where channel notices has
been used for flooding, its more based off of a user complaint and a quick test to see how its actually
handled by mIRC by default. +M is excellent though Im sure some channels only want to use it when
their channel is actually having trouble and not at all time, while a chan mode for filtering chan notices
might rather be used at all times?
Im not sure in which direction bahamut is going, though I wouldnt want bahamut turning into some
bloatware ;)
./DreamHealer
---- On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 01:34:57 +0200 Emilio Escobar <skilldalnet@gmail.com> wrote ----
Hi Fredrik,
Trying to understand more of the context behind this request. Are these notices sent by unregistered nicknames or actual/active members of the team? Just want to avoid going down a rabbit hole where we’re trying to compensate within Bahamut inefficient implementations of certain features and/or messages.
On Mar 26, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Fredrik Karlsson <dreamhealer@avade.net> wrote:
Hi guys,
How about having a channel mode that could filter notices sent to a channel, perhaps from users
without voice/op access to the channel?, or perhaps disable all channel notices in a channel?,
I guess atm bahamut treats a channel notice the same way it does a channel message?, it actually
looks like its using the same code and that the difference is just a flag?.
We had a user complaining about bahamut not being able to filter those out and that his irc client
treated them badly, so I installed mIRC client for the first in ~15 years and checked it out and it
turns out by _default_ mIRC seem to do some weird stuff with channel notices. It gave out this
horribly laggy pinging noise doing god knows what to this poor irc client. For sure it did something
more irritating than an ordinary channel message would do, so perhaps we should consider giving
channel owners a way of specifically filter those channel notices out?. Not sure how often channel
notices are being utilized during floods etc, but I can see it could be used just to annoy users.
Would be interesting to hear your take on it.
Regards
DreamHealer
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Hi There
I read what fredrik is asking for but also agreed with Vin. mIRC is not a bad client if one knows how to use it i've been using it since 2000 so its quiet friendly client i've ever used.
Furthermore regarding channel notices even i have suggestion as a member of help channels we receive complaints regarding channel notice flood etc. so i have a suggestion here if we can have a channel mode where only channel notices can be blocked except channel option verbose notices.
For example if mode set to a channel it will blocked all notices from users except channel operator/staff. it will be very useful if you guys think about it. also if the same mode is set to the channel it will also blocked all the part messages of that channel.
i know the other modes can do the same but they have their own functionality so that above one will be exceptional.
Regard,
Jazzzzz
________________________________ From: dalnet-src-bounces@lists.dal.net dalnet-src-bounces@lists.dal.net on behalf of Fredrik Karlsson dreamhealer@avade.net Sent: 27 March 2018 01:19 To: Emilio Escobar Cc: dalnet-src Subject: Re: [DALnet-src] Suggestion chan mode to filter chan notices
Hi Emilio,
Well the thought is that as channel notices is handled differently than channel messages by different irc clients and so perhaps there should be a way to treat a channel notice differently than a regular channel message in the ircd. Unfortunately I dont have any specific cases where channel notices has been used for flooding, its more based off of a user complaint and a quick test to see how its actually handled by mIRC by default. +M is excellent though Im sure some channels only want to use it when their channel is actually having trouble and not at all time, while a chan mode for filtering chan notices might rather be used at all times?
Im not sure in which direction bahamut is going, though I wouldnt want bahamut turning into some bloatware ;)
./DreamHealer
---- On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 01:34:57 +0200 Emilio Escobar skilldalnet@gmail.com wrote ----
Hi Fredrik, Trying to understand more of the context behind this request. Are these notices sent by unregistered nicknames or actual/active members of the team? Just want to avoid going down a rabbit hole where we’re trying to compensate within Bahamut inefficient implementations of certain features and/or messages.
On Mar 26, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Fredrik Karlsson <dreamhealer@avade.netmailto:dreamhealer@avade.net> wrote:
Hi guys,
How about having a channel mode that could filter notices sent to a channel, perhaps from users without voice/op access to the channel?, or perhaps disable all channel notices in a channel?, I guess atm bahamut treats a channel notice the same way it does a channel message?, it actually looks like its using the same code and that the difference is just a flag?.
We had a user complaining about bahamut not being able to filter those out and that his irc client treated them badly, so I installed mIRC client for the first in ~15 years and checked it out and it turns out by _default_ mIRC seem to do some weird stuff with channel notices. It gave out this horribly laggy pinging noise doing god knows what to this poor irc client. For sure it did something more irritating than an ordinary channel message would do, so perhaps we should consider giving channel owners a way of specifically filter those channel notices out?. Not sure how often channel notices are being utilized during floods etc, but I can see it could be used just to annoy users.
Would be interesting to hear your take on it.
Regards DreamHealer
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Hi guys,
---- Asif Ali Baig wrote ----
I read what fredrik is asking for but also agreed with Vin. mIRC is not a bad client if one knows how to use it i've been using it since 2000 so its quiet friendly client i've ever used.
---- Vin King wrote ----
mIRC can be configured to not beep on notice in Options > Sounds > On Event Play Sound: Notice > No Sound. The number and delay of beeps can also be adjusted in this spot. The client isn't poor or defenseless against being configured to suit the needs of the end user, which in this case sounds like just turning off some beeps.
Sorry, it was not my intention to make a bash at mIRC in any way, I must have formulated
it badly, and I used to use mIRC myself so I know how versatile it really is.
---- Asif Ali Baig wrote ----
Furthermore regarding channel notices even i have suggestion as a member of help channels we receive complaints regarding channel notice flood etc. so i have a suggestion here if we can have a channel mode where only channel notices can be blocked except channel option verbose notices.
So we indeed have more reports regarding channel notices being used during floods. I agree
such mode would need to allow U:lined servers to send notices to a channel regardless of
any channel mode set.
I did test a couple of other clients (pidgin, quassel and irssi), which didnt have a sound on
channel notice event, however all the clients I tested including mIRC visualized channel
notices differently than regular channel messages which I guess would let users think
channel notices to be something completely different.
Regards
DreamHealer
Thanks all for your feedback. I’ll go ahead and create an issue on GitHub for this so we can investigate and follow-up.
/skill
On Mar 27, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Fredrik Karlsson dreamhealer@avade.net wrote:
Hi guys,
---- Asif Ali Baig wrote ----
I read what fredrik is asking for but also agreed with Vin. mIRC is not a bad client if one knows how to use it i've been using it since 2000 so its quiet friendly client i've ever used.
---- Vin King wrote ----
mIRC can be configured to not beep on notice in Options > Sounds > On Event Play Sound: Notice > No Sound. The number and delay of beeps can also be adjusted in this spot. The client isn't poor or defenseless against being configured to suit the needs of the end user, which in this case sounds like just turning off some beeps.
Sorry, it was not my intention to make a bash at mIRC in any way, I must have formulated it badly, and I used to use mIRC myself so I know how versatile it really is.
---- Asif Ali Baig wrote ----
Furthermore regarding channel notices even i have suggestion as a member of help channels we receive complaints regarding channel notice flood etc. so i have a suggestion here if we can have a channel mode where only channel notices can be blocked except channel option verbose notices.
So we indeed have more reports regarding channel notices being used during floods. I agree such mode would need to allow U:lined servers to send notices to a channel regardless of any channel mode set.
I did test a couple of other clients (pidgin, quassel and irssi), which didnt have a sound on channel notice event, however all the clients I tested including mIRC visualized channel notices differently than regular channel messages which I guess would let users think channel notices to be something completely different.
Regards DreamHealer
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mIRC can be configured to not beep on notice in Options > Sounds > On Event Play Sound: Notice > No Sound. The number and delay of beeps can also be adjusted in this spot. The client isn't poor or defenseless against being configured to suit the needs of the end user, which in this case sounds like just turning off some beeps.
On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 7:34 PM, Emilio Escobar skilldalnet@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Fredrik, Trying to understand more of the context behind this request. Are these notices sent by unregistered nicknames or actual/active members of the team? Just want to avoid going down a rabbit hole where we’re trying to compensate within Bahamut inefficient implementations of certain features and/or messages.
On Mar 26, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Fredrik Karlsson dreamhealer@avade.net wrote: Hi guys,
How about having a channel mode that could filter notices sent to a channel, perhaps from users without voice/op access to the channel?, or perhaps disable all channel notices in a channel?, I guess atm bahamut treats a channel notice the same way it does a channel message?, it actually looks like its using the same code and that the difference is just a flag?.
We had a user complaining about bahamut not being able to filter those out and that his irc client treated them badly, so I installed mIRC client for the first in ~15 years and checked it out and it turns out by _default_ mIRC seem to do some weird stuff with channel notices. It gave out this horribly laggy pinging noise doing god knows what to this poor irc client. For sure it did something more irritating than an ordinary channel message would do, so perhaps we should consider giving channel owners a way of specifically filter those channel notices out?. Not sure how often channel notices are being utilized during floods etc, but I can see it could be used just to annoy users.
Would be interesting to hear your take on it.
Regards DreamHealer
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