Well, as helpers on help channels (#help, #dalnethelp, #irchelp, etc), we help users with this information all the time. A user joins and asks why they are banned from channel #*****. As helpers, we do a simple command to find the person who banned them.
/mode #***** b
#***** *!*@*.aol.com set by PapaSmurf!PapaSmurf@*****.hsd1.co.comcast.net (Fri Jan 01 09:20:40) #***** End of Channel Ban List
We, as helpers, give them a pre-existing Bahamut command or tell them the nick of the channel operator who banned them. We usually state to message them politely and ask why they were banned. Most often it is a bot that does the banning, but at least we get to explain why they were banned (i.e. they match a pre-existing ban, ChanServ akick'd them, etc).
Basically, with the ' /helpserv banned ' topic, I was just using commands already in existence with Bahamut (and has been since I started using DALnet... 1998).
--- On Thu, 12/31/09, Irvine A. Eatmon - prez prez@dal.net wrote:
From: Irvine A. Eatmon - prez prez@dal.net Subject: Re: [DALnet-services] HelpServ Overhaul - RFC (request for comments) To: "PapaSmurf" freedried@yahoo.com Cc: dalnet-services@lists.dal.net Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 6:47 PM Having commands that allow users information to see WHO banned them from a channel, including user addresses, etc... is not something I believe DALnet should implement.
Yes, channel bans are not exactly top-secret information, as others in a channel can see who set the bans and execute a /WHOIS to view the users used IP Address/Hostname.
However, giving users direct access to this, can be bad. This gives them the information needed, via an easy tool that DALnet would be endorsing, to send messages to the Operator (ChanOp) in question, that may be slanderous and hateful. It may also open up for floods of that ChanOp in question.
We should have that information remain as-is, with nothing new being revealed or made more easily accessable.
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Obviously the information in HelpServ is obsolete.
Just a few commands I
find even remotely useful for helping new users to
DALnet...
- /helpserv rules
- /helpserv basics
- /helpserv etiquette
I made a post to the helpers@ mailing list with
Bahamut IRCd commands for
non-oper users. Maybe we could revamp /helpserv basics
with taht
information. I went to #bahamut weeks ago, and a
channel op there said he
didn't know of an existing Bahamut IRCd command list
to reference (hence
the reason I posted it).
Maybe we can revamp HelpServ to use as a reference
tool (with relevant
topics) for help channel staff to reference newbies
to.
Some topic examples...
/helpserv welcome - Welcome msg from DALnet /helpserv listhelp - list of help channels /helpserv register - nick/chan registration benefits /helpserv vhosts - DALnet doesn't have a HostServ, but
BNC...
/helpserv threats - if threatened, what to do
(contacts?)
/helpserv services - Differentiate DALnet from other
networks
Note: With the services topic, such things as no
halfops, botserv, X, etc.
/helpserv banned - basic information to check who
banned & how to msg...
Note: with the banned topic, maybe stuff like... /mode
#channel b to see
who banned them, and /whois to see what their addy is,
etc.
I'd like to see some posts to this thread with other
examples. Maybe we
can all talk the services coders into revamping the
obsolete service.
Still, I find it useful, and it should not be phased
out. I would be more
than happy to donate my time in writing samples to
submit to this mailing
list for RFCs. Together, we can get working topics
compiled and update
HelpServ.
PapaSmurf
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