Kobi: Thanks for the reply to the post. I replied, and thought it went to the mailing list. Everyone: I started playing with NS/CS access one day and found some peculiarities. Kobi and DALnet now know of them, and I am pleased. Hopefully the bugs I pointed out will be fixed for the next services release. I posted to the helpers@ mailing list yesterday, and I found that the initial to welcome message from dalnet hasn't been updated since 1996. At the beginning of the email, it says to post to the helpers list, to mail to Helpers@lists.dal.net -- Well, you will get the email sent back; only helpers@lists.dal.net (lowercase h) works. I am not sure if dalnet-services@ is the same way, but the same syntax is there... Welcome to the DALnet-services@lists.dal.net mailing list! Anyway, I hope we can generate more threads here. I believe there is a lot to discuss (to make services better). Myself, I'd like to see HelpServ completely overhauled. The information within is way too obsolete... Maybe I will start a thread next about it. Stay tuned. ;) As for the rest of you, start posting some threads on the general mailing lists. We are here to make DALnet better; to discuss possible improvements. PapaSmurf