Obviously the information in HelpServ is obsolete. Just a few commands I find even remotely useful for helping new users to DALnet... 1. /helpserv rules 2. /helpserv basics 3. /helpserv etiquette I made a post to the helpers@ mailing list with Bahamut IRCd commands for non-oper users. Maybe we could revamp /helpserv basics with taht information. I went to #bahamut weeks ago, and a channel op there said he didn't know of an existing Bahamut IRCd command list to reference (hence the reason I posted it). Maybe we can revamp HelpServ to use as a reference tool (with relevant topics) for help channel staff to reference newbies to. Some topic examples... /helpserv welcome - Welcome msg from DALnet /helpserv listhelp - list of help channels /helpserv register - nick/chan registration benefits /helpserv vhosts - DALnet doesn't have a HostServ, but BNC... /helpserv threats - if threatened, what to do (contacts?) /helpserv services - Differentiate DALnet from other networks Note: With the services topic, such things as no halfops, botserv, X, etc. /helpserv banned - basic information to check who banned & how to msg... Note: with the banned topic, maybe stuff like... /mode #channel b to see who banned them, and /whois to see what their addy is, etc. I'd like to see some posts to this thread with other examples. Maybe we can all talk the services coders into revamping the obsolete service. Still, I find it useful, and it should not be phased out. I would be more than happy to donate my time in writing samples to submit to this mailing list for RFCs. Together, we can get working topics compiled and update HelpServ. PapaSmurf